Packershow Season 3 Episode 12 November 28, 2008
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Packershow Season 3 Episode 12
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OK! Way to vent all of your frustrations, guys. I’m not as discouraged as you, but agree that the coaching in general, and most specifically the defensive coaching was very poor.
It’s best not to read too much into one game. I had the feeling something like this would happen, especially after the games played on the sunday before the monday night game. Remember that this was on ESPN, and they have lead the charge in the attack on the Packers this year.
On the professional level, football is more of a dramatic story than a sporting event. Often I become cynical when seeing the performance of teams, feeling they are trying to milk the dramatic possibilities of the moment. In drama though traumas, setbacks, obstacles and other impediments to the actors set up the climactic moment. In other words, if it was too easy, it wouldn’t be any fun.
I suspect that McCarthy has one way of appearing in public and another way of speaking in private. My guess is that Sanders is feeling a lot of heat this week, and it will probably provoke him into calling another good game on sunday. At the end of the season though, he will probably be invited to seek opportunities elsewhere. Which makes the Winston Moss idea so appealing. I’ve always thought a lot of him, and he could be the missing piece of the coaching puzzle.
I don’t think McCarthy is a bad coach, and when you’re head coach, a lot of your problems come from the fact that you are two steps removed from the players on a daily basis. Sure, he gets to stand on the sidelines and bark at the players, but really the position coaches and coordinators are the ones the players relate to directly. It’s a direct result of the careful organization of football coaching rosters these days, and Mike’s biggest issues will come in the post-season when he will have to shake up this current coaching structure.
Bill Cowher would be a lousy choice for head coach though.
Don’t despair, enjoy the struggle. It’s no fun when things are handed on a plate to you, and I for one will be very interested in how the Packers respond to this short-term setback and their long-term needs.
Run run run on Sunday.
Wes is wrong in saying that the chargers did not fire their defensive coordinator, Ron Rivera was only the linebackers coach before that, he was then moved to defensive coordinator after they fired Ted Cottrell.
You really should know what you’re talking about before you call someone else wrong.
Oh well. Good offense, bad defense. Count me in on the ‘get rid of Bob Sanders’ bandwagon. The special teams coach should be preparing a resume also.
At least they finally got rid of Frost…OMG was that guy bad…We could probably have Rodgers “pooch” punt and come out better than that.
Just line up in the shotgun and if you don’t like the defensive look then pooch it over the safeties heads and let it roll…you couldn’t come out much worse then with Frost kicking.
Its seriously in excusable that Barnett was kept on the roster for 3 weeks while our punter sucked this bad…you could have had a second punter (the best of whatever tryouts) in open competition with him, then at least the roster spot would be getting some use.
Didn’t hear the news about Frost. When did that happen?
I see Pettway has a ligament tear. A big loss for special teams.
I really miss Jon Ryan!
The Pack seem to be finding ways to lose the close games this season, whereas last year we always found ways to win. Can’t see us making the playoffs now (”Playoffs?!!”) but if we do, then we will certainly have momentum!
I suspect we were not quite as good as we thought we were last season – but possibly we are not quite as bad as we seem now. The hardest thing is that I think we all feel this group of players is underachieving.
What do we have to do to get better – either now or next year?
Chris
Draft Winston Moss as defensive coordinator!
John that’s precisely what I am afraid will happen. I really wish back when MM came in we would have gone after Dick Lebeau. He was “free” at that time because Pittsburg was between coaches, he had a ton of time coaching in GB previously (Packer people) and he is very agressive.
We have no idea what we’re going to get if Winston Moss becomes the DC because he’s never done it before and he’s never worked under any of the really tried and true guys that are premier in the NFL right now.
I don’t care if we run 3/4 or 4/3. I would just like us to have an agressive, attacking, PHYSICAL defense that swarms to the ball. I thought we were seeing the START of that last year down the stretch but it promptly disappeared after we lost to the Giants and has yet to re-emerge this year.
In the past few weeks I frequently see guys that could have an impact on the play kind of “half assing” it when if the current guy blows his tackle then they would be the next guy that would have to make a play.
Look at Carolina’s D. They don’t have anyone thats overly talented after Peppers but once you get the ball your going to get hit by about 4 guys because they are just very fundamentally sound.
The Packers have a bunch of talented guys but they don’t play nearly as fundamentally sound and they don’t play nearly as physically.
I want our D to be Pittsburgh Steeler tough, Baltimore Ravens tough…IMO we aren’t going to get that by firing Bob Sanders and “promoting” in Winston Moss.
Yes, but is someone of LeBeau’s quality available? I didn’t suggest Moss as a terror-inducing decision, but because he’s competent, available and can be up to speed quickly (and because it was suggested in the last podcast). Sanders has shrunk into a sullen defensiveness and needs to be replaced promptly. It may not happen. Frost lingered far too long, and coaches are even more difficult to discard.
Right now Winston’s position is a bit ambiguous. He’s the assistant head coach, and the linebackers coach. A case could be made that this is part of the defensive issues, though I don’t believe that. His bio says that his leadership qualities are admired by McCarthy. Instead of a self-destructive status quo, why not give him an extended tryout at a major coordinator position? Unless of course you have someone in mind that’s available right now?
Oh, and why do you believe Moss wouldn’t run a ‘tough’ defense? I’m not challenging your opinion, just wondering why you believe this? Has he shown an unwillingness to challenge his players, or is his lack of experience the issue?
Because the play of the LBs has been lackluster at best and I have no previous history to make me think that having Moss as DC is really going to make us the kind of D I want to see. If I had to guess (and that’s all it is, a guess…) I would say that Moss would be just another guy. A Donnatell etc….
Honestly in Moss’s case there’s not much to base an opinion on. He doesn’t have a ton of experience. The only thing that elevates him on the current staff is that he’s been made asst. head coach by MM to keep other teams from nabbing him to be DC.
A guy nobody has really talked about that has ties to McCarthy is Marty Schottenheimer. I don’t think he would take a DC job but if he would I wouldn’t mind seeing him as our DC.
Hmmm. He hasn’t been a defensive coordinator since 1984 according to the Wikipedia. I was never that impressed with his head coaching abilities either, though I don’t think he deserved to lose the San Diego job. Any students of LeBeau available? Not that I think the Steelers defensive attitude is necessarily the best one, but it works most of the time.